One has even the debate about EU membership of Turkey to call before my eyes. "They then have absolutely no democracy, no free media and this we have to respect human rights", it is called a reflex, when the issue again at intervals startled media and Stammtische. Yes, maybe we have in our beautiful civilized and peace-loving countries of Europe had enough, the esoteric understanding of democracy, the role of the black sheep already allerbestens fills. Italy is ruled by an autocratic Sun King, the fourth pillar of democracy, the media, either owns or controls at will and the caste of politicians is in the public view several levels below the organized crime. Rightly so in the rest. After the political suicide of the left many years ago, the desire for the return of the "good uncle" Duce will not even even more articulated only with embarrassment. Greece suffers from a poor and corrupt political caste which has led to a broad solidarity of the population with the furious rioting youths - though the rebellious anarchists also offer no quick practical solutions, but throwing stones and burning car wrecks are schonmal beautiful pictures of the prevailing rage in Country of birth of Western democracy. Spain now has proven once again that the "democracy" only a little more brittle icing on the history of Franco's regime. Scratch that anyone at the table reserved? But of course not!
We look indeed, this year's UEFA Champions League from outside and so I made myself comfortable the night before to Werder Bremen's efforts against the coaches in the world led by the likeable and in Europe for decades to look at undefeated FC Internazionale. As part of the conference I became a witness of another masterpiece of sports coverage on Premiere for the game against Olympique Marseille Atletico Madrid. Retrieved from "death threats by text message" was there and babbled a frightening security situation has been arrested in view of angry hordes of violent Marseille fans, the "ringleader" for "violent Auschreitungen" the first leg in Madrid. Because we are so absorbed in the cans of beer. This cluster has a stoned young Rastas "ringleader" and death threats sent by SMS to Spanish club chairman? And krawalliert in the Cave of the recently by UEFA for racist outages sanctioned neo-fascists? The stadium was of rioting and murder, meanwhile nothing to see - that's tens of thousands of white "Liberez Santos!" Bodice.
Because of the mentioned "ringleader" was of course the Olympique fans Mirasierra Santos and his arrest and indictment not only throws a revealing picture on the Spanish judiciary and its agents, but highlights yet again the abysmal poverty of large parts of German journalism. Premiere commentator here has unfortunately missed a great chance to just keep your mouth instead herauszutrompeten the Abyss of their own ignorance in public. On 1 October urging the Spanish Guardia Civil in the Auswärtsblock Marseille supporter and whose Auswärtsbanner rips into pieces, getting injured 4 fans and a 70-year-old woman is broken by a kick in a rib. On the banner skull would have been visible with a clown's cap and against such machinations and "racist symbolism" (sic) should proceed. Platini has said that! That the largest organized Fangruppierung the home team, the openly fascist "Frente Atletico" used for years as the standard of the SS Totenkopf symbol interferes with the Civil Guard, however apparently not. "Also, the Milanese" Brigate Rosson "are most times in Munich for the use warned of the same symbol.
Mind you, we're talking about a hitherto largely left alternative and not necessarily fear and terror spread Fangruppierung French in the home of Atletico, which still had a game just because of racist gaffes contest in front of empty stands and whose neo-Nazi agitation and the unsuspecting sports journalists (if it views as about the "Poldi Schweinichen-box" look would have to be) staying again. In any event, the Spanish state is cracking down after years of inaction and even beaten up at the same occasion, a few guests fans. One would have to think that it would have been enough to tell the stewards decision, pointing out the allegedly illegal banners and ask the fans to begin to roll it back. Instead, the billets are rausgeholt and ... just look yourself:
The official Spanish outrageous statement, one only had implemented UEFA demands, punishing William Gaillard (PR-man of UEFA Michel Platini and Senior Advisor for yes) already at 02.12. Lie: say "funny, too, as we have heard that it was the UEFA would have demanded the removal of the banner. We are not working and we have no Entscheidungsbfugnis against the Spanish police. "Said banner, mark a skull with a clown hat, accompanied by the fans of OM for 24 years, in the last 4 seasons as a regular course, without challenge, as well as in Spain. Never mind that dark-skinned French journalists by Affenlaute and racist remarks have offended or took coach Javier Aguirre civilized little words for Mathieu Valbuena. Again summarized: The Civil Guard is in a known right-wing stadium for alleged racist symbolism against decades of anti-racist actions left Fangruppierung known before - and none of the "quality media" is somehow worth considering.
So be it, if that would be everything a normal appearance, the Spanish executive at a football game in a "democratic country in the heart of Europe have been". However, the Spanish courts would tarnish the shameful performance of their agents not through democratic beatings dropouts, and condemned the Marseille fans Santos Mirasierra times just three and a half years in prison. It is surely superfluous to mention that Santos no crimes were detected, none of the shots showed the man in any misconduct, desperate to find his family temporarily to the inability of the Spanish justice, at least a useful translator of French witnesses. Santos is the man with the yellow hat, does not really feel like he was just totprügeln police rather the bilingual man with dual citizenship seems (Spanish and French) to mediate and translate. Where indeed, the witnesses, but were unfortunately not translated understandable. But as I said, in a democracy, it can happen schonmal that state stick force a group of foreign football fans among aural accompaniment of Nazi chants and stirring up the "ringleaders" (O-Ton premiere of times) just three and a half years in prison thunderstruck, without at least a to take care of the rule of law organized trial. At least they have shot him immediately, as did Sandri, that's what schonmal.
The club Olympique Marseille turned immediately and without hesitation, fully behind Santos and supported it in its official statements. An astonishing process in itself, but who was not called to the attention of the German sports press, because the men are so busy, determine if "Poldi" now moves to Cologne, whether "Schweini extended" at Bayern or whether Frings Loew and just love her again. Zinedine Zidane said, however unequivocally: "The hold him, although he has not done anything. As for the reproach him is far from the truth, "and Chelsea striker Didier Drogba has an opinion on the events:" I still do not understand why Santos while in prison, and especially as he sentenced to a prison term as high could be. This is completely beyond any relation. I stand completely behind Santos and I want you to know his family that I am with my thoughts and prayers are with them, "and even the funny Frenchman Franck Ribéry is not much room for interpretation as to which side he stands:" It's incredibly hard for the man because he has invested so much into the club, which was a type of joy wished to support his team. Marseille and I know their fans very well and I can assure you that these are real fans. This penalty is tough and a half years is a lot. I am the first, will do everything in his power to reduce the punishment. "An astonishing shoulder to shoulder with a" ringleader "and a lesson in democracy!
Meanwhile, Santos has been released on bail, amazingly, is in Spain, despite open borders and a long prison sentence probably assumed no risk of absconding. Or did you get rid of the now internationally sensitive case as quickly as possible? (Jose Luis Zapatero, had so far At the time, leaning out the window with his "I am in solidarity with Atletico and the police") itself chooses the deposit required for Santos, the club has paid, this fact alone speaks volumes. Volumes, which are apparently in the German sports journalism has not yet arrived. Olympique Marseille president Pape Diouf expressed his unequivocal: we must wrest from Santos' from the clutches of what I did not even venture to be called a justice. "Then he ätte times better to the" journalists "of mirror, Premiere, USA Today and as the guardians of the German media quality else you may prefer to send a message hot times!
Laudable exception to the dismal coverage of the case is Sportswire writer Jean-Claude ", the game picks up in an excellent contribution in the event. Otherwise, focus just football fans across Europe and football blogs, the topic, the same Mischpoke Thus, the great leaders of our infallible DFB chief Theo Zwanziger classified as a demagogue. Zwanziger said on the subject, moreover, nothing more, but he has more important things to do it.
The events surrounding the arrest of the Marseille-Santos Mirasierra Supporters are an object lesson on democracy and journalism in the heart of Europe - with no good outcome. Before ye so upset as to whether Turkey can play in the European Community, should the Turks even think seriously about whether they want to be there in this club at all.
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the neo-liberal European press, and can not differentiate and disseminate their denuziationen scary, is not it great gruunde surprising. footballers, but the support of OM official and prominent, is echt der hammer. In this process, which has me the most surprised. Otherwise, I agree with you completely!
Support is not a crime!
No penalty for Santos!
But it was worth it to ditch ne lecture, to read it. very well researched and written.
distinti saluti,
Stephan
Stephen Thank you, thank Yuri. Unfortunately it takes so not really much to stand out from the monotony German sports reporting. At the premiere of a genius you are indeed still believe in Italy can play catenaccio and Juve were yesterday taken against BATE Borisov in the "Delle Alpi". There is obviously a serious challenge for the men to upgrade their expropriated in the 70's "expertise" times - so far qualified comments on a topic that's happened only this year are expected to be. Well, thank God, there is indeed the Klowände of the Internet.
So the video is really hard. Because I'm afraid my next stadium visit. Is it bitter.
And how did indeed show that it is much worse that is not reported. German sports journalism is simply not worth anything. It is incredible how uncritical, passive, and is reported EXPRESSION obrigkeitshörig here.
I'm not a judge and not even know the case further than is possible on the basis of your extensive research. But it seems to me that the man with the yellow hat goes off even from the back of a police officer. He will not be entirely innocent. Even if he can not help it, without being a suspicion was justified and disproportionate attacks on hard. These are obviously extenuating circumstances. But who strikes outside the self, can hardly be without fault.
I know that is not in the eyes of the morally motivated supporters of Santos sounds good. But one must say yes Also check out what you can see on the video too.
But yes, of course. You're reading a while, and with already know that I am opposed to any black and white painting rifles - on the one like on the other side. But what one can claim my opinion justified, is a sophisticated and legally matching approach taking into account the factual circumstances.
Suppose that sent a hit squad batons stormed an October festival tent to steal a group of young men in felt hats. And accepted, then one would find one of the young men here that he starts with nem chair on one of the assailants, taking away the hats because he does not fit or he wants to defend his girlfriend (and the unmotivated and disproportionate attack by the Guardia Civil is yes uncontested). Would you then come up with the idea of sending the "ringleader" in a questionable fast-track a half years behind bars?
I mean, no. Once there, however, are young men in a football stadium, all the criteria of law repealed and the judiciary, police and media in unison to see the looming demise of the West, hooligans and bloodstained violence around every corner.
Consequently, I am far from Ultras against anyone and take everything in and to protect their internal problems I have mentioned several times already. But I would still claim that all are equal before the law and even Ultras a right to a fair and impartial procedures have (and) a similar report. Neither do I see guaranteed.
Another example: I might write about it soon was more accurate, but: On Sunday 5 buses with Milan supporters on their way to Turin for the game against Juve. (On the highway!), They were stopped and it has been checked Tickets (!!). These all had to get off and were allowed to wait at about 0 degrees for several hours in the rain for the control of documents. Leaving aside the fact that it deemed necessary controls also could have been carried out in the buses, it was too late even for those with a ticket to come to the game. If such arbitrary action against any other ethnic group does not lead to an outcry?
Sure, I agreed with you completely. The criticism of the approach and the hasty condemnation I carry with fully. The accusation was not directed against your contribution at all, but rather against you sometimes short-sighted view of other rapporteurs. Just because the police disproportionately occurs, which then initiated in order to participate in many of its own misconduct (not even close to legitimize) connections. And yes, it can not be, as Yuri shows the contribution to the Dynamo fans.
That seems to be a general problem of the current debate to be. The one side and demonized feindet without any differentiation of (the are all violent criminals, hooligans, Bullenschweine ") and the attacked side retreats into the wagons and killed himself a" code of honor on "that precludes any discussion of their own wrongdoing (" who attacked us, we just stood around in peace "). You might realize in my choice of words that (in this respect "we are the good and the others are all pigs") the police and ultras .* does not differ so much
Now it is surely futile to discuss who started with things - create such considerations do not even those involved in, say, Israel conflict. But I venture the opinion that there is a huge (!) Difference is whether certain parts of the Fangruppierungen not resort to legal means, or whether the law reaches into similar funds. When a fan bulls of a chair is proposing to cross, then put it belongs in court - from an alleged offense by a fan in no way derived from the law for the state to respond in turn criminal. State officials have to move in allocating its resources more on the ground the rule of law - especially against people who use differing resources! (Note: The last remark does not refer to the case of Santos - here the fault lies solely with the garden club.)
* What makes the conservative slice eaters press from the case is no better than the simplistic vision of some ultras ...
I agree. therefore be punished for a crime in the Office (eg, assault) even harder. the state and its organs should have the monopoly on violence, this has to be used comparatively. But this is not so good for longer. This fact leads in reverse, but not to the same arbitrary and brutal violence to be. the awareness and responsibility for others should also be considered.
sach ma ','ve read milanesi Mediaset had one reception to protest against excessive admissions to. 've only Ne gfunden announcement. you know more?
Yes, this report follows. It was also not against excessively high ticket prices, but what I will write more accurate in the context of actions in Wolfsburg game. Soon on this channel ...
Meanwhile, the "Jungle World" of the case once again been very convincing in greater depth, which one can find here. Very well researched and considered, I think. Thanks go to the BAVA for finding this gem of German journalism. It would be ridiculous if we can make no alternative public sphere for the simple-minded pabulum sports "reporting"!
Fact is, the disgraced Spanish judiciary itself to the bone and the elite of German sandwiches eaters not even noticed it yet. Zwanziger, go schonmal the car in front!